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MessagePosté le: Sam 18 Mai - 11:54 (2013)    Sujet du message: Bataille de Kanghill Répondre en citant

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I am looking for French accounts of the Bataille (well, skirmish really) of Kanghill.

 I have the official despatch of Marechal Pelissier and letters from General Esterhazy. The battle is also covered in the memoires of Sergent Mismer (Souvenirs d'un Dragon).  I havent been able to find any more. Can anyone help?

As far as I can ascertain General Esterhazy with 4e Hussards, 6e and 7e Dragons surprised a Russian regiment of Lancers accompanied by horse artillery. From the Russian version, the Russians were taken by surprise - they had lost contact with the rest of their column and were drinking their coffe. The lancers were dismounted and the guns un limbered. The Hussards charged the guns but were counter-attacked by the lancerss. The 6e Dragons in turn charged the Russian lancers.

Not excatly a "bataille"....

Second request....

Does anyone know about the Imperial Guard at the Bataille de Traktir and also the cavalerie of General Morris? For the former I have Richard "La Garde" and Bazancourt (but I don't trust him). For the latter Lebrun "Souvenirs des guerres de crimee et d'italie".

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MessagePosté le: Sam 18 Mai - 13:52 (2013)    Sujet du message: Bataille de Kanghill Répondre en citant

http://military-photos.com/kanghil.htm
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MessagePosté le: Dim 19 Mai - 00:52 (2013)    Sujet du message: Bataille de Kanghill Répondre en citant

Thank you Hermann, but do you know where I can find the books he cites? As I cannot cite a website!!!!
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MessagePosté le: Dim 19 Mai - 15:43 (2013)    Sujet du message: Bataille de Kanghill Répondre en citant

Aspects de la vie politique et militaire en France au milieu du 19. siècle à travers la correspondance reçue par le maréchal (Aimable-Jean-Jacques) Pelissier. '1828-1864' Documents publ. par Pierre Guiral et Raoul Brunon, Paris, Bibliothèque Nationale 1968.

Souvenirs d'un dragon de Crimée - Mismer - Paris, Hachette, 1887

I don't find the references of the 4th hussars and the 6th dragoon historical regiments.


In the magazine "Tradition" n° 261 (2012), there is an article about the russians lancers in the crimean war.


In the magazine"Uniformes n° 90 (1985), there is an article by Louis Delpérier about the french dragoons in Crimea.





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MessagePosté le: Dim 19 Mai - 17:20 (2013)    Sujet du message: Bataille de Kanghill Répondre en citant

I have Mismer, Souvenirs; I also have G. Betin "Les 6e Dragons en Crimee" which are the letters of S-Lt Silbert de Cornillon. I also have the relevant "Uniformes". THe additional material from the regimental histories is good stuff....but I cannot find a copy of their histories!
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MessagePosté le: Mer 17 Juil - 22:07 (2013)    Sujet du message: Bataille de Kanghill Répondre en citant

Bonsoir Voltigeur,
For a private account of Kanghil, you have the "Lettres de Crimee du Capitaine de Berthois", 4e Hussards - the part relating Kanghil is in No 414 of the "Carnets de la Sabretache" (June 1956).
Note that all contemporary accounts mention the "Combat de Kanghil" - and never really speak of a "Bataille" indeed.

More than the regimental histories, the Kanghil relation in the "Journal de Marche et des Operations" of the "2e Brigade de Cavalerie" (SHD, G1 117) is quite enlightening : in these post Sebastopol days, D'Allonville was playing cat and mouse with the Russians, and the surprise on the day of Kanghil owes nothing to chance, but a lot to his tactical brains ; he obviously knew his business.
While Esterhazy's conduct there is highly commendable (he led the charge from the front with a mere cane in his hand), D'Allonville is the mastermind. 

I looked myself for info on the Artillerie a Cheval de la Garde Imperiale at Traktir (I have a Crimea Medal attributed to a "cannonier conducteur" from the Regiment's 4e Batterie, man who was confirmed as being present at the "Bataille de la Tchernaia"), but could not find much besides Richard ; that said I didn't look really hard.
Note there was a painting depicting the topic - that has been reprocduced as a nice engraving in the French press.

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